Photographic Sleuthing (Part 3)

Going Deeper: In this Photographic Sleuthing (Part 3), the adventure goes deep into hard to locate territory. We have sharpened our collective teeth on these easier ones, mostly, leaving two pretty hard images from Part 2 still to be resolved.

Nevertheless, we are partaking on this new adventure to locate some clearly identifiable images yet so far eluding our scopes. Should be easy, right?

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We could use your help - where in the world were these images taken? 
Please contact us HERE if you have information leading to their identity!


In Photographic Sleuthing (Part 1) we introduced the question of When, Where, What, and Who of a set of deteriorating Lantern Slides, along with a set of six images that have been identified in spite of the destructive and historical changes over the past nearly one hundred years.

In Photographic Sleuthing (Part 2) we looked at six images that need identification via the sleuthing expertise from the the world wide web of image detectives. Five of these images are locations, the sixth is an exercise in identifying historic personages. We honestly have no idea where in the world these images were taken. Europe is our best guess, but not good enough.


In this Photographic Sleuthing (Part 3) we will look at six new images needing identification. We are pretty sure greater Europe is the location and the date is likely between 1921 - 1923. A lot has changed in Europe over the past one hundred years, so take that into consideration when looking for clues.


1920s Lost 159

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Image 159: Downtown Trolly

Let us start with one containing an interesting puzzle at the end. This one comes with a couple of high resolution clues.

The first is the writing on the wall as it were:

1920s Canon 159 Inset

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The full sized inset image shows the writing above the doors on the right of the image. Is this helpful? Who knows. It's a clue.


The second bonus clue is detail of the rear of the image - an interesting city arch that appears to be quite tall. In addition to the arch there is a landmark monument of sorts in the middle of the road looking like a very tall Doctor Who Dalek … or a short clock tower. Or something. 

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  • The hanging streetlights are similar to the lights in the next Image 9, the next image to be identified
  • Similar hanging lights are seen on Marienplatz from Kauferstrasse, Munich
  • Historic photos of Karlstor Gate in Munich show overhead lighting similar to these. The Karlstor Gate has gone through many iterations over its history, making this one difficult to lock its identification
  • Assume Berlin Tramline: Pre Great War History: Baedeker’s Berlin and its Environs, Handbook for Travellers by Karl Baedeker, Third Edition, 1908, Page 16: Tramways – 23. Schöneberg (Goten-Str.; Pl. G, 18)- Gesundbrunnen (Pank- Str.; Pl. B, 19): viâ Potsdamer-Str. and Station, Brandenburger Tor, Lehrte Station, Moabit, and Wedding Station; every 1/4 hr. 
  • Assume Berlin Tramline: Post WWII history from Berlin Straba: Tramline 23: 13.06.1945 – Inbetriebnahme Linie 23: Pankow, Rathaus - Schönholzer Straße - Grabbeallee - Bismarckplatz - Kaiserweg - Reichskanzlerdamm - Rosenthal, Nordgraben
  • Assume Munich Tramline: Recent : Münchner Freiheit – Potsdamer Straße – Parzivalplatz – Schwabinger Tor – Am Münchner Tor – Anni-Albers-Straße – Domagkstraße – Schwabing Nord
  • The Gate: Similar shape to Brandenburg Gate (Potsdam) – From Wikipedia: The Brandenburg Gate (German: Brandenburger Tor) on the Luisenplatz in Potsdam, not to be confused with the gate of the same name on Berlin's Pariser Platz, was built in 1770–71 by Carl von Gontard and Georg Christian Unger by order of Frederick II of Prussia. It stands at the western end of Brandenburger Straße, which runs in a straight line up to the Church of St. Peter and St. Paul.
  • Trolly lines do go through the Brandenburg Gate (Potsdam and there are hanging streetlights similar to those pictured. Still need a similar view to confirm, as well as confirming Trolly Line 23 goes this way.



Update: 10/16/2020 – With a little help from my friend Marilyn

1920s Canon 9 Found

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Image 9: Downtown Trolly Lines
Image 9: Berlin Cathedral, Looking Down Unter den Linden

Found: The reference image from Getty: Elevated view over the 'Strasse Unter den Linden' towards the Rotes Rathaus - around 1935. Our glass slide is street view of same.

This one is similar to the previous image 159 in its use of overhanging street lights and city trolly service. What we know and don’t know about this one:

  • The hanging streetlights are similar to the lights in image 159, above
  • We do not know the L/R orientation of this one. The image could be flipped
  • Quite the interesting set of churches at the rear of the image. These are a tell if you know what you are looking for
  • The trollies are of a different design than those in the previous image 159
  • Man & woman walking on left side of the image - Do women walk on the left side of their male partner in the 1920’s? This could indicate the correct L/R image orientation
  • Unfortunately, there is the man and kid in the center of the image where the man is on the left and kid on the right. Perhaps there goes L/R expectations



1920s Lost 81

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Image 81: Fortified Monument

This is one of those that is well known if you know what it is. If not, then not. Here is what we have:

  • The monument on the left is very telling, but so far has been elusive
  • The fortress itself is telling, a historical setup for visitors
  • The large fortification far on the hillside is of interest, but again, only informative if you know what it is



1920s Lost 45

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Image 45: Car Party

The current L/R image orientation has the driver side of the vehicles on the left side. As there is nothing here to suggest where the photo was taken, we just don’t know how the cars should be oriented.

  • The man walking on the lawn … well, we can’t tell how his coat would be closed, indicating L/R image orientation



1920s Lost 182

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Image 182: Backyard Party

A nice party in someone’s backyard. Not a lot to go on with this one; nice yard!

  • L/R orientation might be correct, the cherubs on the roof are pouring water from their right hand, which seems to be correct



1920s Lost 116

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Image 116: Gutted Cathedral

Again, this is clearly a famous landmark cathedral, just where and what is the question. Can not tell L/R orientation, but there are two clues:

  • There appears to be a motorcycle with a side car at the middle-left of the image. The sidecar is on the right … standard except in the UK where it would be on the left
  • We have again a woman/man walking with the man on the right. Is there a period custom?



Where we have been so far in our sleuthing:

1920s 10-11-2020
  • How did they travel?
  • What routes?
  • Why did they appear to have avoided Czechia, Spain, and Denmark?
  • Based on photo evidence our intrepid explorers began their travels in New York from Pier 59, White Star Line, Chelsea Harbor



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